Reader’s Request from Ismael Valdez: 9-11, WTC7 and BBC?

“WHY DID THE BBC ANNOUNCE WTC7 HAD COLLAPSED 30 MINUTES BEFORE ITS ACTUAL COLLAPSE??
Unless there was prior knowledge WTC7 would collapse?”
Thanks, Ismael, for submitting this great example of one of the longest lasting topics of a 9/11 conspiracy theory.
Long after the various other elements of the ‘theory’ had begun to quiet down (due to actual facts being available), the believers continue to trot out the ‘What about the BBC report predicting the collapse of WTC7?’ chant.
I have included this video that demonstrates a credible account of this event.
Anyone who subscribes to this particular conspiracy theory should ask themselves the following question:
Which is more probable?
Scenario 1: As described in the video, a combination of officials announcing the impending collapse of WTC7 combined with the confusion of the day plus the natural desire of news agencies to be first to report a significant event
OR
Scenario 2: A ‘secret’ plot that must remain ‘secret’ at all cost was in fact revealed to news agencies and their reporters, editors and anchors (who are just ordinary people, like you and me) in the hope that they’d know just how long to keep their mouths shut on each particular event
I’ll give you a hint: Pick scenario 1.
Interested in the cause of the collapse?
Here’s a nice download:
Structure Magazine explains one probable cause of the WTC 7 collapse. “Single Point of Failure: How the Loss of One Column May Have Led to the Collapse of WTC 7”
http://www.structuremag.org/…/200…/SF-WTC7-Gilsanz-Nov07.pdf
https://youtu.be/zZrlNw-31R8
Thanks again for the submission!
And thanks for reading.
– Jeff

Reader’s Request from David Paul – “Hollow earth.”

Synopsis: Basically one idea behind a hollow earth is that there is a massively empty earth populated by giants or dragons and various other types of foreign life. Another less popular idea suggests that there is actually another fully formed Sun underground as there is above at the center of our solar system and under this sun there seems to be another fully formed earth with its own life forms radically different than the ones above ground. Although those 3 ideas seem to be less popular among the community they all do seem to agree that the earth is hollow with 2 massive holes at the north and south poles.

Rebuttal: Having considered the evidence, let me explain to you all why this cannot be. The earth has a molten rock layer called the mantle. And underneath that is the outer core and finally the inner core of our earth, therefore it is a safe bet that any life that is suspected to live within the mantle is dead. The mantle basically is a slow cooker. Slowly, over many years, churning rock. This movement causes the rocks that have cooled above (the crust) to move. We call these tectonic plates. Over certain parts of the crust exist volcanos. A volcano is for all intents and purposes a direct connection to the mantle. When a combination of gases, pressure and heat build under these Volcanos, they erupt the same as if you’ve shaken a soda bottle. If the earth were hollow as claimed above then there would be no volcanos (and no cool eruptions like this “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DceHEBGVfj4“).

Another proof that the earth is not hollow, as mentioned earlier there exist tectonic plates. They move over and under one another. When they don’t pass around one another quite-s-smoothly and earth quake happens. These earthquakes are a direct result of tectonic plate movement which is a direct result of the earths mantle, slowly churning the molten rock therein.

Thanks to David Paul for bringing this to our attention!
I genuinely had no idea this idea even existed. More details coming soon!

-Arianna

Request from Joe Carrier: Flat earth

Science Denier Hall of Shame's photo.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php… (no better representation of flat earth, than flat earth home base? Amirite?)

Analysis: it seems that those who believe in flat earth do for 1 of 2 reasons. Either the bible says the earth is flat or they see a flat horizon and postulate reasons how this is possible.
How tiny does one have to be to see a flat horizon on a baseball? Incredibly tiny. The size of the earth is in the order of several magnitudes higher than we are. Here’s a quick example. The average height of an adult male is around 5.6 ft. the total area of where I live (Seattle WA) is 83 miles. now just on this scale (human as compared to 1 city) you immediately begin to see how small a human being is. And why everything seems so flat is that we are simply too close to the subject (Earth) to notice any change but maybe we’ll see it over say…a state?. But how small is a human as comparative to my home state of Washington? 71,362 mi². Recall a human is only about 5.6 feet tall. Even if we climbed atop the highest point in WA we cannot see any curvature by looking down back at the ground. But we will begin to see a nice flat horizon. Why? This is the point at which the land is literally no longer in view in front of us, yet, due to the size of the earth, the curvature at each end of our field of view would take up less than one pixel on a high-definition TV. The size and curve of the earth has essentially…duped us. It’s a really big optical illusion that some minds falls for. Others don’t. (A quick rundown on how horizons work.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon… )

While I am not here to slam anyone’s religion, I must tackle the 2 points seen in my research of the subject. So please, let’s stay civil.
Job 9:6 and 38:4 both mention the earth being set upon pillars and house a foundation upon which is set on the pillars. Isiah 11:12 mentions the earth having 4 corners. The picture the bible is painting is that the earth is set upon 4 or more pillars. On each corner of the earth there are pillars to hold it up. (Maybe one in the middle. This is never addressed). Simply searching for pictures of the Earth from space on google completely dismiss this notion (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/…/article-2572080-1BFF77CF00000578…)

The 2nd point is just ignorance basic scientific principals stacked on top of one another. Proposed flat-earth solutions definitely satisfy the aspect of the world they address, and only that one aspect. If we were to ever factor in 2 or more aspects that do actually happen around the 1st then the 1st instance breaks down and no longer satisfies what we see.

An example: A flat earth believer says that the reason time zones exist is because of a “spotlight” style of sun. where the suns light hits certain areas like a spotlight while others have night. Or morning. One could say “Ahh! Well the earth is flat right? Why can’t I simply look up and night and see the sun giving light to another part of the world” and there would be a serious problem for the 1st statement if the earth were flat.

More on flat-earthers coming soon!

Thank you, Joe Carrier. I’ve known about this one for a while but I never really laid into it.

-Arianna

Reader’s Request: B.o.B and the Flat Earth

Science Denier Hall of Shame's photo.Troy Lovett and John Davis both requested that we address B.o.B and his newfound belief in a flat Earth.
“Please for the love of science pin that idiot rapper B.O.B. to a wall for his idiot comments about the earth being flat.”

We will. Oh, indeed we will. Now that the flurry of activity has died down, we will analyze this public failure of logic.

But first, let us address why it is important that we do so. This particular artist has a rather large youth following. People of that age may have not yet developed the analytical skills necessary to be aware that an artist may not be the best source of scientific information. And they will vote, at some point.

Bobby Ray Simmons (B.o.B.) has made a fair amount of noise on Twitter regarding his belief that we exist on a flat Earth instead of an oblate spheroid. For simplicity, we shall address his tweets*, identified by bullet points, one at a time.
*NOTE: some of the tweets have since been deleted from Twitter. The Internet, however, never forgets.

• I’m going up against the greatest liars in history … you’ve been tremendously deceived
-Name the liars, please. You can’t possibly be saying that Pythagoras (yes, that Pythagoras), Plato, Aristotle, Eratosthenes, Seleucus of Seleucia, Posidonius, Strabo, Claudius Ptolemy, Hipparchus, Aryabhatta, Isidore of Seville, Beda Venerabilis, Anania Shirakatsi, Al-Ma’mun, Al-Farghānī, Biruni and Ferdinand Magellan were all members of the same club and decided to deceive the world with the same lie, even though they were separated by time, geography and culture?

• No matter how high in elevation you are… the horizon is always eye level … sorry cadets… I didn’t wanna believe it either.
-This ‘eye-level’ argument is annoying. We are to believe that, in my case, the horizon is 5’6” high? (the height of my eyes. I’m 6’ tall.) And OF COURSE the horizon appears to be at eye level… You are looking at it. It is in the center of your field of view. If it were 3 degrees lower, you’d never notice, because the feedback system in our neck and eyes are not designed to perform this type of measurement.

• The cities in the background are approx. 16miles apart… where is the curve ? please explain this
-One must take into account one’s own elevation, the elevation of the other city and the curvature of the Earth, plus some variable things most people don’t really think about, like atmospheric refraction. The following link explains this in great detail. http://goo.gl/iMBsfA

• y’all be like… “you’re not high enough to see the curve…keep going
-This is essentially correct. Show some appreciation for how large the Earth actually is.

• that awkward moment when you realize you’ve been indoctrinated into a heliocentric belief system
-Heliocentrism is not a belief system, it’s a model used to predict the motions of the planets and other celestial bodies that orbit good old Sol, our favorite star. It’s also the only model that works, because the math becomes unmanageable when predicting the movement of other planets and their moons if we use the geocentric model. It only works in the context of our solar system. For a larger context, a different model must be used in which our star, along with every other star in our galaxy, orbits the gravitational center of our galaxy.

• A lot of people are turned off by the phrase “flat earth” … but there’s no way u can see all the evidence and not know… grow up
-Evidence is precisely what tells us that we are on a relatively spherical Earth.

Science Denier Hall of Shame's photo.

It appears that he has also taken a liking to other tinfoil-hat theories as well.

• there’s wind on the moon ?
-This obviously refers to the hotly debated (and thoroughly debunked) claim that the flag planted in the lunar surface was ‘fluttering in the breeze’.
Sorry, Bobby, but the motion of the flag was exactly what one would expect from a flexible material in a low-gravity, near-zero friction environment. After the pole was moved, it oscillated around a point of equilibrium before settling into its final position.

• Remember when they “lost” to footage to the 1st moon landing
-Nothing was ‘lost’. Raw footage that was transmitted via NASA’s ‘slow scan’ format was converted in real time and broadcast. These are recorded. The issue with not having the original tapes, which, admittedly, were erased and re-used due to a shortage of blank tapes, only became an issue when a search for the clearest images possible was undertaken in the late ‘90s. Sorry, nothing conspiratorial occurring here.

Perhaps the best advice ever given during his career as science-denier:
• if my tweets are rattling the tiny little cages of your reality … the unfollow button is right there

And, of course, the most telling, from January 27th…
• just took my meds
Incorrect dosage, Bobby. Obviously incorrect dosage.

BONUS: Neil deGrasse Tyson Responds: https://youtu.be/XHBZkek8OSU

Thanks for reading!
– Jeff